chaos_cat
 
3rd-Nov-2015 01:10 pm
chaos_cat: (saber)
One test down, one essay type homework to go. Since I was tired after studying all day, I played for a bit and... I think I'm enjoying writing these up too much.

This is a fairly small part, or is distance-wise, but it's by far the most important part because... finally... IXION!





The leaders of Yevon may be corrupt asshats, but the regular priests and followers - aside from Wakka who could really take a lesson from this - usually seem pretty cool. Even Shelinda is trying to help out.



Tidus asks how long until the end and then says something almost every gamer has asked about a game at least once.

Imagine how short this game would be if we had an airship and COULD skip all the walking!

(This is a bad time to ask that though as no way are we ever skipping Ixion)



AT LONG LAST.

At first I thought the map looked small, but then I found this in my inventory later. (Still kind of... I mean most of the older games had more than one continent or even multiple worlds)

I do miss how past games took place in a complete world you could fly around, although I really don't miss getting lost on the world map since I have Laguna-level map sense.



You probably should've mentioned that before. You're lucky Tidus didn't for the very sane reason that no one would believe him, but



Auron tends to be cryptic, leaving with more questions than answers. I can't remember if they know that one guardian has to die or not, so I'm guessing he means that she'd realize a guardian becomes the final aeon and... yeah, as I doubt she'd be distant just because Tidus' father got turned into a giant flying death whale.

I don't remember seeing those white lines on his hands in the original. Meant to signify that he's already dead or was his great great great grandmother Guado?




I would say this is a really good point, but then it doesn't make much sense to keep on hiding the Yuna is going to die aspect, especially when it's celebrated so much so he SHOULD be likely to find out on his own.

As an aside, I just learned that Auron is supposed to be... 35... I always thought he was at least 40, I mean, the gray hair and gruffness and all! Some people go gray early, but then why... I know Japan has a fixation on youth, would listing him as above 35 cause an outrage? (What's funny is that 35 would've been nothing in the SNES era. Tellah, Fusoya, Galuf, and Strago laugh at you)

We walk a short distance and...



I'm starting to really think everyone in the game is against me getting to this temple and will do anything to stall me

and why does Sin hate chocobos so much? I somewhat doubt there was a chocobo machina empire, although I would want to see that




So it does play out just like Kinoc, the bald douche maester from before, wanted as they think this is their punishment for defying the teachings of Yevon rather than punishment for gaudy polka... well, I guess they're actually... polka diamonds?

The crusaders have been around for so long, it seems really unlikely that they haven't tried something similar before and failed. I've yet to see any books or anything so far though, so I'm guessing anything that isn't captured on a sphere is just not recorded.




I'm pretty sure this is the exact same reaction I had the first time.

Hell, I still have it. So much better than the previous temple that looked like someone built it out of discarded pots.



Yuna has a line here which was "Another summoner?" and, when combined with info a little later, it seems confusing as she says it like she's absolutely confused and surprised at the existence of other summoners, but it's suggested there's quite a lot of them... I'm guessing it was supposed to be similar to Tidus' thoughts like "another summoner? would it be Dona? I don't want to deal with her again..." but with the voice acting...

(I love how Tidus says that line though, it's nasely and really gives off a sense of UGH DONA)

Then again, not the worst. That reward goes to a certain XIV character who made serious scenes seem hilarious she was so bad. (In English, I rewatched the same scene in JP and it was amazing then)




There was also a scene earlier I forgot to capture of him despairing right after it happened, and I find myself wanting to know more about him as he seems a lot more interesting than characters like Kimahri or Wakka.

... and hilariously, the party, being the heroes they are, just leave him be without trying to do anything or comfort him.

Oh well, that means I can finally enter the temple in--



...

Isaaru is not letting me pass. Of course.


ELIGIBLE BACHELOR #9: Isaaru. He, um, well, he's very eager to put his assets against yours.

(I love the layout of this place though, not just that lightning, but the murals behind them look like Ixion's horn in a circular fashion)



These two are his brothers, they say, but uh... you know, I'm just going to put this in the "I'm tempted to ask but probably don't want to know the answer" category that is growing pretty fast in this game. (I mean, there's the physical differences, and then Isaaru is 26 and Pacce looks... what, 8? I would also question why he has a kid of a guardian, but this is FF and one of my best characters in FFRK right now is a 6 year old girl since I pulled Eiko's relic)

Annnd ELIGIBLE BACHELOR #10: Maroda. He suffers from the FFX curse of stupid hair (amusingly Isaaru is one of the few named characters without this curse) in that he has cartoonish devil hair, and I remember exactly nothing about him, but he's not carrying a blitzball and has yet to say anything racist, so~

We've now reached double digits! If Lulu went with Wakka just because she didn't spend enough time with any of the others, we now have enough to create a bachelorette style reality show where she can get to know all of them! ... but of course, with significantly more substance and style than those actual terrible shows.




This is basically "Let's have a contest to see which one of us can successfully kill ourselves!"



...wait. I mean assuming they're from Bevelle, it would make sense to go in the opposite direction we are, but Zanarkand is... North, which would be... Unless they're allowed to break rules and use an airship for that, I feel like we were saved what could've been a ton of game padding as we walk back through the same areas a second time (Hey, some games love terrible mechanics like that! Just look at Tales of Xillia 2!) They do end up in Bevelle again somehow, but I can't recall how.

(and amusingly if you talk to his brother enough, he basically accuses Isaaru of not getting off his lazy ass)



And I just stole what I assume was your only mega phoenix down in that chest over there. Oops. I imagine that would've helped a lot of the people dying right now, but we once again prove ourselves to be the best heroes.



Yeah, see, this implies there's a fair amount of summoners, so far we've only met 3 and I really wish one of them wasn't Dona but

Annnd we're FINALLY allowed to enter, yeess I've waited long enough for this



This certainly looks safe.



Have I mentioned how much I love the design of this temple yet

just when I finish the puzzle part and think I'm going to get Ixion...



*weeping

I-- is she even allowed down here? Shouldn't only one summoner at a time be allowed? This + after she pushed Tidus in previously with the hope of getting Yuna excommunicated... shouldn't she be excommunicated instead?

But, her guardian speaks up this time and goes over to Auron and...



Bwhahhaha I'm laughing pretty hard right now as I didn't remember this at all and it's so counter to Dona's reaction to him



As he's just "riff-raff" to her while he's turning all fanboy and saying Auron is the reason he became a guardian



Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if she even is a summoner or just bent on following us around like those crazy people who are fixated on celebs they hate even though they don't actually know them and how people act on screen is often different from who they really are.

also you can just barely make out her beauty mark in this shot!




I know they're heavily implied to be in some... kind of... relationship, but I'm now a little worried for Barthello as between this and the last scene with them I'm starting to think he's just Dona's manslave



I love how you can usually talk to named NPCs up to 3 times before they start repeating themselves, and all 3 lines he has are just variants of SSSSSSQQUUUEE SIR AURON KYYAAA



Yeah, that REALLY isn't a good thing.

... man, imagine if Seymour picked Dona instead of Yuna, just... I suddenly feel sick even imagining those two with any scenes even remotely romantic.

And Dona is... well, I feel like she's another character who could've been a lot better. She's the only character outside of Tidus and the like who DOESN'T praise Yuna for being Braska's daughter and special, but instead of questioning whether Yuna is really ready, that your parents don't determine your profession in life, pointing out that Yuna is too young and hasn't really had the chance to live, or doing anything remotely reasonable, she just comes across as another member of Spira's Asshats. She has no given reason to be so salty about Braska and Auron, I mean, why would you hate someone who you've never met and gave you years of peace as a result of sacrifice?

(Though curiously it occurs to me that she has a lot in common with Seifer, and Seifer is beloved by the VIII fandom... I actually dislike Seifer even more than Dona as the way they try to romanticize him when he's essentially an overblown bully skeeves me out but... yeah, strangely everyone tends to hate Dona so I wonder if it's a female vs male aggressive rival characters thing or if it's just because no one wearing such an insane outfit can be considered attractive)



AT LONG LAST.

I don't even know why I like Ixion so much, perhaps because FFX was my first FF and Ixion is the first Aeon you get which actually looks cool, like an undead unicorn. Unicorns are lame, but electrified undead ones are awesome. I've always been partial to the thunder and wind elemetns, and the temple leading up to it likely helped, too. I was so disappointed by Ramuh when I went backwards in the series, haha.



Is Auron being attacked by monkeys? And not caring at all?



We've out-lazied the supposed lazy summoner, what do we win?!



... or she was up all night doing this. There were TWO other summoners, do Dona and Isaaru do nothing or do people just object and shield their eyes if they start dancing?



Well, I mean, we run around fighting monsters and rarely seem to have access to beauty products so you'd kind of expect this... Plus her hair looks just like it always does, lol



Better than treating you as someone impossible to pick on due to specialness, I'd say



AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH WORST CAMERA ANGLE YET



I'm really going to miss with the awesome NPC onslaught is over and we start the creeper Seymour arc after this




Still a significantly better romance option than Wakka!



So. Badass.

I always loved the music in the background of this area, but perhaps because of that... this is the first remixed song I don't like as much as the original as there's a different sound to the melody which doesn't have the same effect the original had.

Original:



Remastered version:



IDK the original is beautiful and tears at me, but the remastered one feels disjointed



These two show up again and claim that they're there to tell me something I already know - that summoners are disappearing - but given how they spend the majority of the time talking about horns I think they're really just trying to severely over-compensate and am tempted to add them to the Team Asshat list.



I like how, when characters KO, they do it wherever they were standing at the time instead of in the line. Poison got him while attacking and now he's just resting next to the giant poison plant-monster-thing with Yuna looking down on him like "really?"



Her again and--



NNNOOOO YOU'RE MAKING ME FIGHT IXION?! Are you just trying to test my mental fortitude?!

And you say that, but I want to summon Ixion, and the game mechanics won't let me since he's already summoned and only one of each summon can exist at a given time



After Ifrit gets koed, Ixion attacks... Yuna... yeah, after I win by overdrive-summoning Valefor, she says something like I won fairly and I just want to reply back DESPITE YOU NOT FIGHTING FAIRLY, YOU BLOODY ATTACKED /ME/. NOT MY AEONS, /ME/



I have a class on Saturday where we do field work, which normally involves going out into wetlands, so swamps and marshes and other places people usually avoid like the plague. One time, we had to out into a canoe... in the rain, with tons of wind, and my team kept ramming straight into patches of water lillies, which as it turns out, are quite sturdy and refuse to budge if you accidentally ram into them due to weather.

So yeah, I used to think things like this were beautiful. Now I'm kind of... well... *shakes angry fist at these kind of plants (Okay, they're STILL pretty though)



Annd we end with the first mention of Shoopuf, curiously one of the things I remember the BEST from when I played this when I was little. Shoopuf is greatly important, it seems.

Comments 
4th-Nov-2015 04:30 am (UTC)
kuro_pantsu: (リナ・ラモント(踊る))
I nominate the Hypello driving the Shoopuff as the most eligible bachelor. Largely because he knows his way with Shoopuff. Also less race issues.

Regarding Isaaru and his brothers, I'd wondered about that issue for some time as whilst there is every possibility they're all half-siblings, I assumed that it was a translation thing given that it's common in JP to call boys or young men who aren't related to you 'Oniisan' (regardless of whether they're older than you or not as it's also perfectly fitting for an unrelated older person to refer to a young man as 'Oniisan' if they don't know their name) but then I actually went and checked it out in Japanese because I figured that would clarify it only for it to say "ガードは弟のマローダとパッセ" (his guardians are his younger brothers Maroda and Pacce) so I'm right back to wondering.

Also now reading additional character pages on that JP wiki and sniggering at how it right off the bat describes Seymour as "actually Yuna's devious stalker" and later when noting the scene where Tidus reflects that he never liked Seymour, comments on how it was impossible not to notice his obvious creeper behavior.

Dona really raises a lot of questions. Mainly in how her asshat behaviour is ignored without repercussions but also why the hell she's a summoner in the first place as she will know that she has to DIE in order to beat Sin but as she doesn't seem to give a damn about people or how she's perceived it doesn't seem likely she's doing it to be loved or famous or anything along those lines. Arguably some development her way could've really helped here as I remember her seeming very serious about NOT being able to finish her pilgrimage when rescued from Home but why it meant anything to her at all is never really suggested. Had it not been for this scene in Home I'd just have assumed she was only feigning a pilgramage to get special treatment and had no intent on fighting Sin except then that brings up the whole can of worms that becoming a summoner is exceedingly difficult, you have to get the fayth to accept you, there is danger at every corner etc so that theory is blown to smithereens. Also that outfit. Kuja wearing the adamantium thong was ridiculous but he at least is shown to be (a) almost Bahamut proof (b) capable of casting barriers in a flash (c) able to travel easily and in comfort so his clothes are highly unlikely to be subject to wear and tear and even if they are he likely has ready access to spares. Dona... is travelling across the world, mostly on foot, in an outfit that is not only useless against the elements but provides zero protection and if anything is going to be difficult to move in given all those straps... And then there was Yunelesca in her underwear. I don't even think they tried with that one. Why is her husband fully dressed and she just wears Victoria's Secret Zanarkand Edition? I guess you could make some argument that Spira's climate is warmer and they're far less conservative about clothing but even so I am rather poleaxed by all these scantily clad women especially as all the men are in full robes. How come there are no scantily clad men? Where's Lord Mawashi of the lone loincloth!? (Also Yunalesca's scantily clad design really ended up squicking me out in that the vision Seymour shows Yuna of her has Yunalesca on the bed in said undies with her husband embracing her fully clothed, which, given Seymour's whole "be the Yunalesca to my Zaeon" comments put a really disturbing image in mind.)
4th-Nov-2015 05:23 am (UTC)
glacialphoenix: (Default)
Yeah the clothes in FFX never really made sense to me either. Kuja's were quite clearly chosen to make a dramatic impression, but I can't look at any of the FFX ones without thinking "That's really gotta chafe..."

Regarding Dona I assumed the point was that even if you think the summoner is the greatest jerk in Spira, that person is still making the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of stopping Sin. I just wish it'd been more than that since as you said... no development.
4th-Nov-2015 05:46 pm (UTC)
chaos_cat: (more than one use for that position)
Kuja's also... I mean, you could move around in that still, it isn't completely impractical like Dona's or Seymour's which leave me wondering how they even stay on.

My main problem with her is how I can't figure out how she can even continue on as a summoner given the in-universe rules, and it would've been nice to know why she's even doing this in the first place... provided they didn't just go with some stupid wtf reason like "It's my dream to be a knight! So I'll be the knight... to the villain!"
4th-Nov-2015 05:34 pm (UTC)
chaos_cat: (dark one)
Lmao, I'll be sure to add him to the list when we encounter him now! He IS one of the most memorable characters!

Hmm, it is definitely possible they're half-siblings, but that in itself is curious since the most likely shared parent would be his father (not that it wouldn't be impossible for it to be the mother, but just significantly less likely for several reasons) and typically siblings in those situations - especially if there's a significant age gap - either resent each other for their parents' behavior or barely know each other. So while not outside the realm of possibility, it's hard to not wonder how it played out that they would trust each other enough that they'd become guardians. (I noticed that I have a lot of questions about NPCs in this game I'll likely never know the answer to. X-2 should've just been background on these many NPCs, lol)

Oh Seymour, eternally never fooling anyone! Even having a sexier voice could never save him!

Given how she quickly even says she's going to chop off the hand of her lover when he's overjoyed at meeting someone important to him, she doesn't even seem to care about him much at all, so it's very difficult to imagine her wanting to sacrifice herself for other people ever if she can't even be happy for her guardian/boyfriend/whateverheis. As you mention, she doesn't seem interested in fame as she just goes around yelling at everyone and almost every time she shows up I end up very ???? so I truly don't know. Maybe being a summoner goes purely by skill and behavior isn't factored into it, but I'd still imagine due to the connection to Yevon, some of the monks would be like "we don't want this person representing us." (This is why I REALLY wish we had more background on the summoner thing, as it's central to the plot and yet...) Strangely I never remember questioning Kuja's thong as he can kind of... float I guess, and you so rarely see male characters in underwear yet it happens to female characters all the time so it was more appreciated than anything. Plus, he isn't wearing what looks like a bunch of ropes ON HIS SKIN. Even if Dona is summoning and not fighting directly, that would be a pain to just so much as walk in. I'm afraid I don't remember much of Home, but when I get them I'm going to be spamming X to demand answers, even if I'll probably just get some generic line over and over!

While the bottom half of Spira seems really warm, I remember a lot of ice and snow around Mal... er, I'll just go the Tidus route and call it Macarena as I'm too lazy to look up the spelling, and Mt. Gagazet. Yet regardless of region if you contrast characters in similar roles... like Clasko has perfectly sensible armor while Lucil is in a swimsuit. If the climate is warmer, then Isaaru must be burning to death as he doesn't just have robes, but some kind of large coat on top of that and meanwhile Dona has... underwear with ropes. Man, I'd love if they had people worshiping at a giant statue of a guy in a loincloth XD Golbez needs to teach the guys of Spira the proper use of lack of clothes! [Edit: I guess that one Ronso is in his underwear, but unless you're a furry... uh... it also occurs to me that the closest we have to the silver haired bish in this game is Kimahri... Starting to wonder about this now, too]

(Also Yunalesca's scantily clad design really ended up squicking me out in that the vision Seymour shows Yuna of her has Yunalesca on the bed in said undies with her husband embracing her fully clothed, which, given Seymour's whole "be the Yunalesca to my Zaeon" comments put a really disturbing image in mind.)

I don't remember this at all. I think I must've purposely wiped it from my memory, but now I'm even more afraid of events to come...

Edited 2015-11-04 06:05 pm (UTC)
4th-Nov-2015 07:38 pm (UTC)
breyzyyin: (Yin: we're here to stay)
Ah, you know...I never thought about that with Dona and Seifer before. You're right, oddly enough everyone does seem to like Seifer and hate on Dona and I suppose that could just be due to her being female and everything which is...a sad reason to hate on a character for acting in a very similar way to a male one (I guess it is that whole double-standard thing: such as a guy who acts a certain way is awesome and cool but a female doing it is a curse word because...yeah 0_0;).

Oddly enough, while I didn't really care for Dona at all in the beginning of the game for the obvious reasons (she be mean for no real reason 0_0;)...for some reason I remember her growing on me by the time the whole reveal about the Summoners happens and she not only helps the Al Bhed with a Sending but then asks Tidus if he thinks it is okay for someone who has the ability to be a Summoner NOT to want to sacrifice themselves if they just were afraid of dying. I guess maybe I always assumed that showcased there was actual potential in her as far as characterization went...like, maybe her backstory or something is that because for whatever reason she COULD be a Summoner she was kind of forced into the role and so she felt she had to play that part up even though it wasn't what she wanted and she felt guilty/conflicted over that (so her lashing out at Yuna is more because she didn't like that Yuna seemed so willing to do what she was only kind of playing at). Unfortunately, they never actually go that much into her following that scene OR in the sequel beyond her being slightly nicer in it, so I always felt that was a massive shame since you're right and had she been handled a lot differently instead of the way she was so often presented in the game--she could have been a much better character in the plot in a lot of ways. 0_0;

Then again, a few characters could have been that way too: Wakka could have actually been developed a bit differently and would have probably been way better for it, and Kimahri could have actually done something instead of being mostly forgettable (I always thought it was a shame that they never did go into the obvious him and Yuna having almost adopted father/daughter bond more than they did because...actually, that element of his story was touching when you have Yuna recounting why he stayed and everything). *le sigh*

I am guessing with Auron...he aged horribly? XD Yeah, I never quite understood that because he certainly to me doesn't look remotely 35 in a lot of respects! XD But I always do tend to get amused by ages in JRPGs in more recent years given that...usually the "old guy" in them is around 27 or something now which is kind of hilarious and sad in a way. XD

And poor Gatta...I always felt bad at that part when the party just leaves him like that. 0_0;

I do tend to love the NPCs in this game though. Fortunately, most of them are quite awesome enough to overshadow the ones who aren't! XD

And yay for Ixion! ♥ Ixion is an awesome, awesome summon! :D

I really do love reading these posts--they are both hilarious and awesome in helping me think back on the game too! :D



Edited 2015-11-04 07:41 pm (UTC)
4th-Nov-2015 09:40 pm (UTC)
chaos_cat: (more than one use for that position)
Hmhm I started thinking they both have the same rival role, they're both mean to the party for no given reason and spout out insults like "chickwuss" and "riff-raff", both run up to other people to yell/demand things of them and believe it will work when it doesn't, and have quirky flunkies who follow them around for reasons no one knows. Both are also really confusing in-universe as I have no clue why Seifer didn't get kicked out of Balamb just like I don't know how Dona became sanctioned as a summoner. The only real development Seifer has that may make him more likable to people is the whole knight thing, which again, just disturbed me more than anything since there was nothing actually sympathetic about him in terms of personality development or backstory. ... and even then you could make the argument Dona has a similar catch, since she IS a summoner, so you'd assume she'd be willing to sacrifice to stop Sin, which is actually much more admirable than vaguely dreaming about being a knight so... yeah, something now seems really off there to me, lol.

Huh, I didn't remember any of that. I've noticed my memory of this game gets a lot fuzzier once it starts centering on Seymour, I think I probably banged my head against something in frustration at Seymour and lost my memory that way, lol. That is curious though, since it is good that she'll help with sendings, and I still really want to know how people become summoners since a lot of questions seem to revolve around that.

Yeah, I know that Wakka gets over the Al Bhed thing later, but when he spends so much time early on in the game getting angry at everything they do, even if it has nothing to do with machina, it makes it hard to like him... plus, forced blitzball match. I know that Kimahri isn't very social, but they could've shown that without having him be mute for the first part of the game, as well as balanced his story better since you don't even have any clue why he's there until you get to the Moonflow.

I've noticed that too, lol, which is funny since that's still a young adult really... and some go the ultra questionable route and make everyone moe, so everyone looks like children regardless of their age. I do miss how in the SNES era 27 was more the AVERAGE age of your party, even if there was usually one or two kids (like Gau or Rydia), almost everyone was over 20, with some safely being old geezers.

Thank you!

Edited 2015-11-04 10:09 pm (UTC)
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