chaos_cat
 
29th-Oct-2015 12:25 am
chaos_cat: (L)
I decided to replay FFX, specifically the new HD version. This is in part because it was the FF I played longest ago, and part influenced by FFRK and - strangely - the Sims group I had as I had two Yevonites and started thinking about how strange it is that the two most popular FFs are almost exact opposites in plot...

In that, VII is about protecting the planet from dangerous technology, living weapons awaken to protect the planet, even at the cost of life of humans, and at the very end the planet is overtaken by vegetation again.

In X, technology is shunned and considered something that will ruin the planet, there's something going around killing people and they link it to technology usage but that's all lies, and then at the end they're all cool with technology again.

I'm not sure what to take away from that, especially since those two games had similar people working on them, but it amuses me since Yevon would've ironically saved the world in VII, but it's just continues to make things worse in X. Too much excess of anything is always bad, I guess?

But because I played FFX so long ago my memory is a little fuzzy at points. There are parts I remember very well, but others... and who knows what I may feel about it now that I didn't get when I was like... 12 when I first played it. FFX was my first FF, and I loved it at the time, but ended up a fan more of the old school titles (especially IV, VI, and IX), with one of the main reasons being the characters. None of the characters in those three titles annoy me, but uh... well, I guess we'll see if part of the X party members still...

I know that subjectively I shouldn't try to compare FFs and look at each game individually, but that's almost impossible when you know the same series has done something differently in the past or future in this case.





The HD version contains the International Edition upgrades which were never released here originally. It doesn't explain what the difference between these two are so I yolo it and pick Expert.

I love, and by that I mean hate, how long the trademark logo is. Most companies just have something short down there, but that... and then we have to know that it was designed by Nomura, in case the ridiculous hair and costumes by the main cast, complele with belts everywhere, didn't' give it away.



I am unsurprised by the pretty. That is one thing you can always rely on FF for.



I wish I were at the meeting where they decided to make blitzball a major part of the game, so much that even the main character is a star blitzer. While there definitely is an overlap between sports and RPG fans, I haven't really seen it be... that significant.

And why did they decide to make Tidus look like he doesn't realize kids jackets don't fit on adults. Or that suspenders aren't really cool. Or...



I give him the most appropriate and respectful name I can think of.



Scenery porn. I notice there's no trees, or anything remotely resembling nature, in sight though.



I admittedly love this opening. While FF in general has great music, I don't normally extend that to the vocal songs. I like "Melodies of Life" due to how fitting the lyrics are for IX, but I'm not a fan of pop music - or a Latin chorus saying "Sephiroth" over and over - at all so most FF vocal songs I prefer to try to forget.

Here we open with metal and Auron being a badass. It wouldn't even be considered that great if compare to other metal songs, but it's so rare in rpgs that I just can't help but love it. Amusingly it also spoils part of the plot in the lyrics, but the only way you'd even realize that is if you've already beaten it and/or been spoiled elsewhere.



I'm not sure how Fishbait even knows how to wield a sword, he's not a solider like most FF main characters, nor has he had to defend himself in the wild against monsters like Bartz and Zidane.

I also like how I immediately recognize this sword as "hey, that's the best FFX weapon I have in FFRK! And it's the... starting sword. Yeah, I really need better FFX synergy in that game."

... and uhh, is it just me or does it sometimes look like Tidus has cameltoe with his new model. I don't know HOW, but there's no way those are his balls.



Okay, now here's something I do remember clearly from this game: awkward camera panning.



After beating some sinspawn, we get... this, and I am briefly very confused as you're basically swimming in air above the city.

But it seems to be he got knocked out when sin threw him into Spira and I'm just going to guess it's a combination of weird dreams + the sin's toxin bit they reference frequently after this.



Fishbait may be slowly freezing to death, but I stand around for a good while in complete awe of the music.



Bad youtube quality, but they remastered the soundtrack, and I for one love it. I was surprised to see a lot of people saying the original versions are so much better, as every remastered track I've heard so far I've liked better... but I guess it's a mix of some people preferring X's original electronic-y sounds over the more epic sounds they went with this time and pure nostalgia.



I'd say that "even little kids" keep on accusing Fishbait of this, but when I know that little kid can turn into a dragon...

Tidus having a reputation as a crybaby doesn't really bother me, but again I kind of wonder what they were going for with this one. During the PS2 era they kept on making teenage male protags for demographic reasons, even if they weren't the most central to the plot, but I don't think a lot of people playing this want to relate to someone known as a crybaby.

And the most central to the plot part is kind of hilarious here-- Tidus is a lot more important than Vaan, and they do tie Tidus' and Yuna's backgrounds together well, but they keep on hounding home that it's "his story" when... not really. It's more Yuna's story. Tidus just tags along, which in itself wouldn't be a bad thing, but that line just makes it seem like they're trying too hard.



It's here where I really notice some of the character model changes. There are some I really don't like, which I'll get to later, but I do like how Tidus has more detail around his eyes, and they're not purely attractive cosmetic changes for once.



I think I would've preferred the monster that just tried to eat him over being captured by a bunch of people too lazy to make their own language, so they just flip letters around.



Or great, this asshole. Still haven't forgiven you for how creepy you are in X-2, "brother."

Also, why is he the only one who looks like he stepped out of Midgar in the original VII. No one else is rocking the punk aesthetic.

... why do I ever even try to understand fashion in Spira.



I love how the first move he learns is "cheer." I guess "obnoxious HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA" doesn't count as a valid attack.



Hitting shit you don't understand with your fists instead of letting the people with more experience deal with it: Works every time!

I'm disappointed by how short the random battles are atm when the remastered battle theme is just so nice.



I love epic-sounding soaring instrumentals and THAT BRASS.



Is there any reasoning behind the under water bit? Water is everywhere in this game, but iirc, only Tidus, Rikku, and Wakka can breathe under it. Why? Are they wearing invisible oxygen tanks? Did they undergo plastic surgery to get gills?



Tidus further endears himself to the crowd by shoving food in his mouth using only his hands. And then flailing around about it.



Fishbait acts way too cheerful for someone who just nearly froze to death, was almost eaten by a monster, and was kidnapped by people he can't understand who are using him for labor without pay.



Awkward camera angles: even more awkward when the character in question is wearing something skin-colored.



Two questions. Why do you care about that? I suppose she could just not want him to get in trouble, but when they aim to stop a lot of Yevon's teachings...

Secondly, is that why I had to fill it with monkey scat in X-2? As I'm still really confused about that part.

Sin attacks again, Tidus ends up thrown elsewhere and...



BROUGHT TO YOU BY NOMURA. HE LOVES THIS DESIGN SO MUCH HIS NAME IS EVEN STAMPED THERE!



Can I go back to being a captive on a ship where I have to work or else they'll throw me overboard?

If I wonder about Tidus' creation, then I *really* wonder about Wakka.

"I know what would make a character cool! Troll doll toy hair! And an obnoxious, fake speech pattern! And bright yellow fishing waders! And let's go ahead and make him a racist who leads a team of only guys! The fans will LOVE him!

I do think someone with Wakka's particular religious devotion is needed in a game like this, as even if others in the party may follow Yevon, they don't have the same fervor about it. ... but this... I don't know, if I were making this, I'd probably add a Guado companion who would have more connection to what happens later, and you can be devoted without being annoying or racist about it. They do need to show those who dislike the Al Bhed, but I would've made them... not a party member.

(Although I'm willing to bet anything if Wakka had a bish character design instead of that, he'd have hordes of fans regardless, so I'm actually a little glad he looks ridiculous)



Pfft, I do like how they made special animations to show just how much these guys suck.

Although it's weird since the main party doesn't really have many unique animations and typically just stand around when talking.



This somehow makes Tidus feel better and I pretty much lose all hope in him



See, I tried to warn you. He pushed you off a cliff, took you to a secluded area, and then proceeded to do this! Can't trust people who take hair advice from troll dolls.



So, the blitzball version of the Cleveland Browns.

(I don't follow football and don't know if there's a worse team, but since I live in Cleveland, I get to constantly hear about how much the Browns suck and are one of the few teams to never go to the super bowl.)



NOW HE'S FOLLOWING ME, SEND HELP



The options here are amazingly diverse.



Okay I seriously laughed at this as I didn't remember this at all and the idea of a common symbol becoming so serious is both believable and amusingly facepalm.



wait, do high summoners have their own fandom here? Is that why people become summoners, so someone will write slash fic about them?



"I've already worked out how to wear a shirt way too small for me, thanks."

Though seriously speaking most of the stock NPCs are more sensibly dressed than the important characters, but then, there's this guy.



Tidus starts being amusingly blunt, which in turn makes him less annoying.



I must admit, I can't help but like the Yevon designs, as it really stands out amongst other fictional religions. Eerie glowy black symbols and nearly naked statues? who can resist!

Though seriously speaking, this also makes it even more obviously questionable from the start. I do notice this is... corrupt religions aren't exactly uncommon in games, and SE already overkilled it with Xenogears. A lot from Yevon seems derived more from Eastern religions, though, from the monks and room designs, when every other evil religion in a game I can think of is either draws from some pagan black magic cult or Jude-Christianity




... and I find this funny as I was JUST thinking that. I get he's very lost, but his way of introductions are always backwards, like you'd think he should start with this before asking questions which make everyone in the room want to gasp and faint.



I don't know why I always do things like this in games, and there's so rarely ever anything there!



Despite how I feel about him sometimes, I do like Tidus' backstory with his father. Most jrpg heroes don't even have parents, and it's rare to see one openly hate a parent as that's normally a trait given to villains instead.



Only if you're really bad at simple puzzles.

(Okay, admittedly, I do remember the Bevelle Temple being rough, but more because it was so easy to get lost)



Completely breaking sacred customs. Tidus is doing so well to fit in and endear himself to the town!



I know Valefor is popular and considered very iconic, but I've always had trouble finding a giant bird with boobs and an elongated body that endearing. It is incredibly useful in battle, though.

(Ixion, on the other hand... how long until Djose Temple? Ixion for best summon)

This was the first FF with voice acting and it is very... hit and miss, I think most of the voices fit the characters-- I mean, I know they tend to be more popular, but would you really want to hear sexy voice out of Wakka? I'm also all for lisps and other such things that just occur naturally since not everyone can be on the top 10 sexy voice lists.

Yuna though, Yuna is very miss. She talks... like... this... half the time, even in times of urgency or when she's just saying a simple sentence which wouldn't really require any thought in the words. It's not that she's stuttering from shyness or anything, it's just a really strange and unnatural sounding emphasis.



From Star Player of the Zanarkand Abes to being booed by kids.



I know the game won't listen to me, but hey.

And seriously Wakka, do you think it's a good idea to say things about that to someone who is going on a quest to kill themselves?



Can I pass on both?

This has always been among my least favorite aspects of any game Nomura is one of the mains attached to it. Multiple women are always at least implied to be interested in the main character (this, Tifa/Aerith, Rinoa/Quistis), and on top of that, the possible canon ones will always ask the main character to be their bodyguard in some form or fashion, even if they don't need protection or in some cases are even stronger than the guy they're asking. (Yuna asking for him to be a guardian is the most justifiable of the lot, given the circumstances and how it's the norm for all summoners, but Tifa and Aerith?)



For once, I'm hoping he'll listen to Jecht and save us from this awkward dream sequence.



What happened to Lulu's beauty mark?

Lulu is currently my favorite character in this, I'm a bit ahead of where I'll be stopping (I'm at Luca and raging at blitzball) and just damn, she deserves so much better than to end up married to Wakka. Starting from this point, I'll be listing any eligible, still-alive-at-the-end characters that might've been a better choice. At the very end, I'll post the full list and any possible reasons they'd be better than Wakka, so feel free to add your own reasons in comments whenever one pops up!



I'm supposed to leave, but went back into town and the towns people, who were previously amiable, either tell me to get to the docs or call me an unholy horrible sinner. After IX, this wouldn't be surprising at all.

... but coming in from the other direction, XIII? WOW, THIS WORLD FEELS SO ALIVE AND THE CHARACTERS INTERACT WITH TIDUS AND ALTER THOSE INTERACTIONS DEPENDING ON DEVELOPMENTS IN THE STORY, I'M IN AWE

Similarly, after XV, I get the impression I'm going to really be missing Nomura... never thought I'd say that.



Also. Cats. Ish.

I do want to note that when Yuna first goes to leave... well, she takes a ton of luggage with her and /Wakka/ has to tell her it's not a vacation. I had to cringe a little as I do not get the impression Yuna isn't truly prepared for this, is too young, and was likely partially pressured into it due to her father's reputation.



Um

wouldn't it have made more sense to pray at the temple? What is this? Some random ugly ruin with a green metallic bug infestation?



ELIGIBLE BACHELOR #1 is--- er, on second thought, nahh, Kimahri is too attached to his broken horn.

(Still better than Wakka, though.)



More scenery porn + again, I appreciate how I know exactly why there's ruins everywhere due to the whole backstory with how there used to be great cities everywhere, but then Sin came and destroyed most of them. I have no idea why there were ruins all over XIII...

And with that we're off to Kilka. I'm sure we all know that turns out well...
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30th-Oct-2015 02:01 pm (UTC)
breyzyyin: (Breyzy: I refuse to be defined by you)
I had kind of forgotten they even had the HD remasters! Lol, good to know they couldn't remaster the camera angles too. O_O; And odd they removed Lulu's beauty mark! I always liked it.

I know Valefor is popular and considered very iconic, but I've always had trouble finding a giant bird with boobs and an elongated body that endearing.
~...How is it I never noticed the boobs before this comment! Where was I? Haha! XD
30th-Oct-2015 03:31 pm (UTC)
chaos_cat: (inevitable)
IKR, normally you want to focus on faces, not asses! I'm not 100% sure if it's there or not, I /think/ I saw it once, so it may just be greatly reduced, but that may have been my mind playing tricks on me and being hopeful... she also looks younger to me than she did previously, which I don't like so much either.

Lol, I wish I didn't see them as they're rather distracting!
31st-Oct-2015 10:48 am (UTC)
kuro_pantsu: (トフィ (僕の愛称))
(This comment is late due to my wifi not speaking to my comp for most of yesterday - may have to add another one later)

Regarding Tidus, Wakka and Rikku being the only ones who can breathe underwater - it's noted somewhere that blitzball training involves years of learning how to stay underwater for stupid amounts of time which explains Wakka and Tidus whilst for Rikku we are led to assume she's been trained to breathe underwater for long periods of time for the sake of excavation. (I'm pretty sure she's effectively meant to be an Ama) No one else in the party has a given reason to be trained in that skill so we're led to assume they would be unable to last enough time underwater to be of any use. (You could make the argument that Yuna and Lulu should have some basic skill due to living on Besaid but it's quite likely neither of them are trained to a proficient enough level.)

Is that why people become summoners, so someone will write slash fic about them?

Considering how much Braska slashfic there actually is out there this is a very real possibility. Like many things it didn't work for Seymour.

This was the first FF with voice acting and it is very... hit and miss, I think most of the voices fit the characters-- I mean, I know they tend to be more popular, but would you really want to hear sexy voice out of Wakka? I'm also all for lisps and other such things that just occur naturally since not everyone can be on the top 10 sexy voice lists.

I still to this day prefer the dub as I find it is overall more hit than miss even though it has notably more painful misses (e.g. Yuna...) than the JP original but the characters have more personality in the dub and sound more fitting. Japanese Wakka was Kazuya Nakai not even being a good Kazuya Nakai (and Kazuya Nakai has a very limited range so uhh if his Kazuya Nakai isn't very good you're in trouble) whilst John DiMaggio had a definite kind of bumbling swagger that was fitting for the character. A lot of characters sounded diluted and forgettable in JP, though I might hazard a guess that this was partly due to Nomura's lack of familiarity with voice direction - it wasn't the first FF related game to have voice acting in Japanese (technically Ehrgeiz was iirc) but it was perhaps the first one to have it used outside of battle lines/grunts and Nomura did mention in one interview that he had never experienced working with voice-actors before and I'm assuming this was also true for most of the main team as the direction and casting is rather '...ah'. (Japanese seiyuu wise they had their leads played by motion-capture actors who had no prior voice acting experience and a lot of the cast were marginally experienced but not notable names. Junichi Suwabe (Seymour/Hypello), Kazuya Nakai (Wakka), Masakazu Morita (Tidus) and Hiroshi Kamiya (Gatta) would all later become notable names in other roles (though arguably Tidus was Morita's star making role or at least brought him to enough attention to get cast as Ichigo Kurosaki in Bleach) but they would not have been considered significant at the time. I do wonder how SE went about with the casting as their casting decisions have ranged from brilliant to troll RNG over the years but here it seemed they going with cheaper unknowns/lesser knowns for the most part. To be fair this sometimes pays off splendidly but with most of the seiyuu it just seemed as though they were going for who was available that vaguely sounded like the type they wanted and if anything the 2 unknown motion capture actors ended up giving better performances than a bunch of the pros. Again though I think part of the issue is the SE team's lack of familiarity with voice acting and their history of poor direction.) Oddly the dub had far more prolific/notable voice actors hired as uhh that was what originally convinced me to give X a chance as I was fond of quite a few of the dub VAs and curiously they went for VAs not involved in anime dubbing but rather Western Animation series such as Futurama, The Powerpuff Girls, Rugrats etc. (Later FFs tend to go for anime dub VAs or the occasional soap opera/TV bit part actor - I don't know if this is anything to do with a union issue or cheaper rates though.)

Sadly SE seems to really like casting pretty voices over personality voices these days. I guess when you have pretty as standard that makes some sense but sadly it can make for a very boring listen. (I'm rather amused by how Ishida's Kuja performance is (a) considerably unbish for Kuja (b) considerably unbish for Ishida (c) considerably unbish for an SE bish character (d) somehow manages to then be Bishiest of Them All when Kuja is not having a grandiose OTT theatrical moment complete with pontificating in the most arrogant manner possible, especially as the subtlety Ishida gives Kuja when he's calm is gloriously nuanced and a world away from "SAA...FINALE DA!!!" but then again it's Ishida and given the opportunity to not sound bish and be an actor instead he will gladly boycott the pretty XD) I still hope they'll go for personality when casting certain NPCs in the VII remake but to be brutally honest I am not expecting much from them given their history. Though bishonen Palmer or Don Corneo would make me laugh
31st-Oct-2015 06:05 pm (UTC)
chaos_cat: (ivy)
Ahh, I see, so it's just a learned skill? It just feels rather silly sometimes, as even in fantasy games you usually have to either acquire some item to breathe under water or there's meter showing oxygen level you have to maintain. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt in a world with magic and all, but when there's so much water everywhere, I would've thought it would be a more common skill.

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me at all, especially when I've also seen Braska/Jecht shippers before... but it's okay, Seymour got his own slash-sim-story with Squall, at least!

The voices do sound very fitting for most of them, although the Yuna bit really gets to me since she's so central to the storyline, and so most of the cutscenes involve her in some way and it starts to hurt if she takes forever to finish a line. ... though damn, I completely forgot about Ehrgeiz, for... uh, multiple reasons. I'm not familiar with the JP version to comment, but yeah, most of them in English don't bother me at all, but it's not really up to, say, Persona-level voice acting, where they specifically seem to go after the top English VAs (even though a few of them aren't really famous for range, others are very good).

curiously they went for VAs not involved in anime dubbing but rather Western Animation series such as Futurama, The Powerpuff Girls, Rugrats etc. (Later FFs tend to go for anime dub VAs or the occasional soap opera/TV bit part actor - I don't know if this is anything to do with a union issue or cheaper rates though.)

Wait, really? Now this I have to see, as imagining these characters as cartoons will be a riot- *looks up Futrama first since I SHOULD recognize those voices and yet---

Wakka is... Bender?

Mind = blown

Now that I know that I can kind of hear it in his inflection, but he sounds nowhere near as gruff and aggressive as Wakka. (And ironic, Wakka's VA also voicing a robot....)

Even among different cartoons the voice acting can be pretty... like I find it difficult to watch Bob's Burgers because I already know the main character's voice from Archer, and he sounds EXACTLY the same despite how they're very, very different characters. One is pretty much a very exaggerated parody of James Bond with poor social skills and an alcohol problem, and the other is a well-meaning family man running a local burger shop. Hearing the same voice come out of both of them throws me for a loop each time, so this...

I really need to hear the JP version of Dissida sometime, since it was an option on the English version iirc. I have no expectations for the remake, especially until I know what exactly "drastic changes" means... One of the first things they said was it wasn't just going to be a HD version like this version of FFX is, but tbh I would've much preferred just a graphics overall + soundtrack remix. Much less room for them to screw up and put Genesis everywhere.

Edited 2015-10-31 06:06 pm (UTC)
1st-Nov-2015 03:55 am (UTC)
kuro_pantsu: It's a black thong that knows no regrets. Hence the awesomeface. (黒パンツ)
YES. IRONY. WAKKA HIMSELF IS A MACHINA!!! *thunder clap*

As far as I know Hedy Burress (Yuna) did not have much voice acting experience but John DiMaggio (Wakka/Kimahri), James Arnold Taylor (Tidus) and Tara Strong (Rikku) are all notable names in Western Animation when it comes to voice acting as are some of the VAs cast as minor characters such as Tom Kenny (Rin), Candy Milo (Dona/Lucil/Pacce), Quinton Flynn (Isaaru), Cree Summer (Young Tidus/Belgemine) etc so the casting was more high profile than the Japanese version oddly enough... (Though now it would no longer be considered as such due to certain JP cast members gaining fame since.)

Also I recognized the name of the dub director and uh... it's the same guy behind the studio Ghibli dubs which I admit I find verrrrrry poor for the most part as there's a lot of stilted dialogue and awkward voices and lack of inflection so that may also have contributed. I've heard some of those VAs be amazing in other roles (Tara Strong is one of my voice acting idols - I learned more about trying to do child or high voices from her than anyone else) and I've heard enough of this director's work to know he does not produce good results.

one of the first things they said was it wasn't just going to be a HD version like this version of FFX is, but tbh I would've much preferred just a graphics overall + soundtrack remix. Much less room for them to screw up and put Genesis everywhere.

The only way I could forgive them adding Genesis everywhere is if they stick him in with him being treated as the comedic loser who is trying way too hard to make himself important so he keeps photobombing moments such as when Sephiroth has killed Aerith and going "Hey Sephiroth, do you want to go and get a pizza---ohhhhhh looks like you're busy, never mind, I'll come back later."
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